I think that's the fascinating thing that exists now. This contrasts with a celebrity art and celebrity music culture.

I think probably underneath it all, film [Kino] has its own rhythm and its own dynamic, and we were trying to capture the movement of film and cross-reference it with music.

We were sort of coming from an angle where we wanted to break rules.

You don't have to be trained in music to create sounds and to produce and release music. That's what we were saying back in 73-74. And that's the way the world is now - and all the tools of creation, production and dissemination are there in everybody's bedrooms, front rooms and studios.

We were coming from a completely different place, which was saying "sound" is what you want to define it as, and you can shape it into music in whichever way you want.

Music doesn't have to be so rule-based - and so strict in its structures, construction and perception.

I think what we tried to do lyrically, vocally and musically was to capture a sound.