We've always been observant of things, and I think Crackdown was very much like that and the film interpretation was that journalistic view of that situation.

I don't think it had a name when we started. If punk has any roots, Dada is part of it. And we saw ourselves as part of a kind of Dada tradition.

Music doesn't have to be so rule-based - and so strict in its structures, construction and perception.

You don't have to be trained in music to create sounds and to produce and release music. That's what we were saying back in 73-74. And that's the way the world is now - and all the tools of creation, production and dissemination are there in everybody's bedrooms, front rooms and studios.

We had always used found sound, but we had always used it in an analogue way. And it was the early days of using collage and sound in a digital way. MTV, a couple of years later would be that way.

We were working in entertainment, in the music industry, with popular music, it was important, but it was something that we also felt was a responsibility.

If you're going to change things, one of the things we had to change is to get away from that traditional model of rock music, and we were a part of that.