It was an important period for us, because even though we weren't a "punk band", and what became a model for a punk band, we were able to be dragged along by the spirit of that time.

We were iconoclastic. We weren't there to sort of follow the trends really. So it was important that we were making a statement against that.

Going there [Japan] in the early 80s was quite a culture shock. I think the bombardment of Shinjuku and all that would have filtered through, which certainly informed things we later filmed.

Crackdown, the video, interpreted and reflected a sense of authority and austerity and a sense of slight, impending doom.

In the 80s, we were still living in a kind of Cold War environment.

It was an important period for us, because even though we weren't a "punk band", and what became a model for a punk band, we were able to be dragged along by the spirit of that time.

If you're going to change things, one of the things we had to change is to get away from that traditional model of rock music, and we were a part of that.