The turning point really is just knowing you're an imbecile.

And so there I was living in California from Brooklyn, New York, and it was this whole new world for me and I was meeting vegetarians. I thought, let me try this vegetarian thing. I got really into that.

You know, on the road, I never miss a meal. I eat five, six, seven times a day, depending on when I wake up and when I got to sleep. I never miss a training day. I always get my four days out of my seven.

I thought, you know the food and the diet thing is one way to start yourself onto a healthy lifestyle, but if you don't move, if you don't start exercising you're gonna deteriorate.

I went from 118 pounds to 135 pounds in a few months. But, I still didn't know anything about food.

The health industry, the fitness industry, was really starting to pick up. This was around the mid 80's.

It's easy to get four days a week of training in and I don't spend more than 55-60 minutes in the gym.