I think what's happened is that the general public has become much more aware of the destructive power of Wall Street.

By construction, the world of big data is siloed and segmented and segregated so that successful people, like myself - technologists, well-educated white people, for the most part - benefit from big data, and it's the people on the other side of the economic spectrum, especially people of color, who suffer from it. They suffer from it individually, at different times, at different moments. They never get a clear explanation of what actually happened to them because all these scores are secret and sometimes they don't even know they're being scored.

People are starting to be very skeptical of the Facebook algorithm and all kinds of data surveillance.

Evidence of harm is hard to come by.

My fantasy is that there is a new regulatory body that is in charge of algorithmic auditing.

Most people don't have any association in their minds with what they do and with ethics. They think they somehow moved past the questions of morality or values or ethics, and that's something that I've never imagined to be true.

For whatever reason, I have never separated the technical from the ethical.